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    Germany, Austria hit out at US over new anti-Russian sanctions

    Published time: 15 Jun, 2017 17:57

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    “Unacceptable” new anti-Russian sanctions approved by the US Senate violate international law, affect European companies and have a real aim of benefitting the US oil and gas sector, Berlin and Vienna said in an angry joint statement.

    The new anti-Russian sanctions are outlined in an amendment to a bill imposing sanctions against Iran. It was approved by the US Senate on Thursday by a majority of 98 to 2, but still needs to pass the House of Representatives and be signed by the US president to become law.

    The anti-Russian measures in the amendment involve imposing penalties on enterprises that cooperate with Russian oil and gas companies. A number of European companies are doing just that, participating for example in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project.


    “Europe's energy supply is a matter for Europe, and not the United States of America!” said the joint statement by German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern, published on Thursday.


    “Sanctions as a political instrument should not be linked to economic interests,” the statement says. It adds that “threatening German, Austrian and other European enterprises, which take part in the gas supply projects such as the Nord Stream II together with Russia or finance them, with penalties on the US market would add an absolutely new and highly negative aspect in relations between the US and Europe.”

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    The statement went on to say that Washington’s intention to impose new sanctions against Russia is guided not by some political or humanitarian reasons but rather by economic interest.

    “We cannot accept threatening European companies that contribute to the development of the European energy supply [system] with extraterritorial sanctions that violate the international law.”

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    More: https://www.rt.com/news/392483-germa...ctions-russia/
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    The purpose of satellite states is to support the empire. Like Putin said. Sattelites have no sovereignty.

    So much for minimal regulation and letting the market control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Downwinder View Post
    The purpose of satellite states is to support the empire. Like Putin said. Sattelites have no sovereignty.

    So much for minimal regulation and letting the market control.
    Exactly, how dare they disagree. If they're not careful the US will have NATO up the ante with Russia and attack from Europe. Since Europe doesn't have much of a ballistic missile shield they'll be in trouble. Meanwhile the US, over 2000 miles away will be safer and can continue the pivot to Asia.
    Or we could all take the family to Disneyland for a few days while that happens.

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    [QUOTE=CNW;3067
    Or we could all take the family to Disneyland for a few days while that happens.[/QUOTE]

    Don't have to go to Disneyland. We are already there.

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    All I know is that when the Republicans and the Democrats agree on something it's not good.

    And I'm reading that it was Rand Paul and Mike Lee that were the two who voted against it, is that the case, I know I've seen people claim it was Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul that were the two to vote no.

    So do they now have any proof that Russia tampered? Or is it still conjecture that Russia tampered with the election?
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    EBP: You know, I've always known that reality trumps illusion, seems that some people are going to have to find this out the hard way. It was fine to sell the American people the idea of the 'Russia hacked the elections!' as long as it just remained a story, but now that their story is having real world impact they're discovering that other people are pushing back on the narrative.

    It's like how it's okay to steal from people if your a bank, but just don't steal from the wrong people, like Bernie Madoff did.

    And it would seem that nations that put out this joint statement think they they may be the ones who are getting robbed:

    The statement went on to say that Washington’s intention to impose new sanctions against Russia is guided not by some political or humanitarian reasons but rather by economic interest.

    “This issue is all about the sales of the US condensed gas [to Europe] and pressing the Russian energy supply companies from the European market. The actual goal [of such sanctions] is to provide jobs for the US gas and oil industry,” the statement says, citing the US bill on the new sanctions.
    Ooops. I don't think they thought their cunning plan all the way through. Or they did and this is them just marching us closer and closer to war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DookDook View Post
    EBP: You know, I've always known that reality trumps illusion, seems that some people are going to have to find this out the hard way. It was fine to sell the American people the idea of the 'Russia hacked the elections!' as long as it just remained a story, but now that their story is having real world impact they're discovering that other people are pushing back on the narrative.
    I was reading earlier that, per UN estimates, the countries that imposed sanctions on Russia lost over $100 billion! Russia lost $58 Billion but reoriented its industry and agriculture in such a way that most people are fine with the sanctions new ventures are springing up all over Russia to produce the products that were sanctioned lol. The EU can keep crying. They went along willingly- Merkel being the biggest backstabber of them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DookDook View Post
    Ooops. I don't think they thought their cunning plan all the way through. Or they did and this is them just marching us closer and closer to war.
    OMG lol! Just saw this:
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    How do you 'dismiss' the concerns of Germany and Austria? Like, "Nah, that don't mean it for real." Holy shit, not to be flippant or anything, but holy shit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DookDook View Post
    How do you 'dismiss' the concerns of Germany and Austria? Like, "Nah, that don't mean it for real." Holy shit, not to be flippant or anything, but holy shit!
    I know lol. And they can't pin this one on Trump since they did this to spite him.
    press release
    Foreign Minister Gabriel and Austrian Federal Chancellor Kern on the imposition of Russia sanctions by the US Senate

    date of issue
    15.06.2017

    Austrian Federal Chancellor Christian Kern (SPÖ) and German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) commented as follows today (15 June) on the approval by the United States Senate of legislation regarding sanctions against Russia:

    Since 2014, Europe and the United States have taken closely coordinated action, as partners, in response to the illegal annexation of Crimea and to Russian actions in eastern Ukraine. That was the correct and necessary reaction to behaviour on behalf of Russia that not only jeopardises peace and security in Europe, but also, for the first time since the end of the Cold War, was a flagrant infringement of our principles of inviolable national borders in Europe.

    It is in the common interest of the EU and the US to take resolute and unified action with a view to resolving the conflict in Ukraine.

    We cannot, however, accept the threat of illegal extraterritorial sanctions being imposed on European companies that are participating in efforts to expand Europe’s energy supply network!

    The draft bill of the US is surprisingly candid about what is actually at stake, namely selling American liquefied natural gas and ending the supply of Russian natural gas to the European market. The bill aims to protect US jobs in the natural gas and petroleum industries.

    Political sanctions should not in any way be tied to economic interests. Threatening to impose penalties on companies in Germany, Austria and other European countries with regard to their business in the United States if they participate in, or fund, natural gas projects involving Russia, such as Nord Stream 2, impacts European-American relations in a new and very negative way. This is about the competitiveness of our energy-intensive industries, and about thousands of jobs. We therefore strongly support the efforts of the US Department of State to amend this draft bill.

    Europe’s energy supply network is Europe’s affair, not that of the United States of America!

    We decide who supplies us with energy, and how they do it, and we do so based on transparency and on free market principles.

    It would not only be highly regrettable, but would also diminish the effectiveness of our stance on the conflict in Ukraine, if we were to no longer take joint action, and if completely separate interests were to prevail, such as the US’s economic pursuits in the field of gas exports. Foreign policy interests must in no way be linked to economic interests! There is still enough time, and opportunity, to prevent this!

    http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/In..._Russland.html
    The bill calling for codified sanctions will now have to go to the US House of Representatives where it could face a great deal more scrutiny than it did in the Senate.

    However, should it pass the House, it would be up to President Trump to veto the bill if he wanted to please America’s European allies and continue with a process of reconciliation with Russia that Rex Tillerson is eager to commence with.

    That being said, if Trump does veto the bill, one can already anticipate the howls from the mainstream media, neo-cons and Democrats about Trump’s connections and/or favouritism with Russia.

    This is yet another instance of the US Congress, including members of Trump’s own Republican party, attempting to create international deadlock by tying Donald Trump’s hands. In this sense, the bill is less about anti-Russian sanctions than it is about anti-Trump sanctions.

    http://theduran.com/confirmed-us-all...ian-sanctions/
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    Thanks for posting this. I'm really besides myself that the Senate actually did this. Like I said previously, when Democrats and Republicans agree this much it can't be good for the rest of us.

    Also from the article:

    That being said, if Trump does veto the bill, one can already anticipate the howls from the mainstream media, neo-cons and Democrats about Trump’s connections and/or favouritism with Russia.
    So The Powers That Be are going to just keep forcing him to dance to their tune, eh?

    And also, I used to listen to a comedian and he used to do this bit where he would read things that were written online and whenever someone used exclamation points he would read it more 'exuberantly.' And the fact that this memo uses three of them, well, I'm just saying that one usually doesn't see many exclamation points in formal documents like this.

    So when they say, "We cannot, however, accept the threat of illegal extraterritorial sanctions being imposed on European companies that are participating in efforts to expand Europe’s energy supply network!" I think that what they are trying to say is that if you keep up this nonsense we'll have no choice but to retaliate. I also worry about the amount of times that they keep saying stuff about it not being too late.
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